Adventures in Employment - Natalie Greenspan

What inspired you to pursue a summer position in tax law with the IRS, and what was the most rewarding aspect of your experience there?
I applied for the IRS Internship through the Fall 2023 OCI Recruitment Program. At the time, I had no experience with tax law, but I thought it might be something I would enjoy based on my work with the banking and creditors’ rights practice area in my first law clerk position. After I was offered the position at the IRS, I took Federal Income Taxation with Professor Kaye and thoroughly enjoyed the course. Over my first two years of law school, I discovered that I am particularly drawn to areas of law that involve statutes and rules (my favorite 1L class was Civil Procedure with Professor Hartnett). Tax law is rooted firmly in the Internal Revenue Code, and I find it engaging because it allows me to navigate statutory frameworks—the type of legal analysis I enjoy most. Tax law is known for being challenging, which makes it especially rewarding to work in. I enjoy tackling complex issues and finding solutions in such a tough area of law. Plus, working in government allows me to make a positive impact by helping to ensure that the law is applied fairly.

How did your experience at Rupp Pfalzgraf, LLC, shape your understanding of banking and creditors' rights?
My experience at Rupp Pfalzgraf primarily involved working in collections, which gave me a practical understanding of how creditors enforce their rights. I became familiar with the processes involved in recovering debts, from initiating collection actions to navigating the complexities of securing payments.

What did you find most interesting about drafting legal memoranda for both the IRS and Rupp Pfalzgraf, LLC, and how did the focus of your research differ between the two roles?
Drafting legal memoranda in both private practice and government gave me the opportunity to learn different approaches to diverse areas of law and refine my research skills, regardless of the topic. When I transitioned from law clerk to summer associate at Rupp Pfalzgraf, my research covered various civil law areas, including civil rights and environmental law. This variety gave me insight into how different legal principles are applied in practice and taught me to approach research with the client’s best interests in mind. At the IRS, my focus was specifically on tax law, which allowed me to concentrate on the intricacies of the Internal Revenue Code and its application to different factual scenarios. The key difference is that private practice exposed me to a broad range of civil legal topics, while my role at the IRS involves a more specialized approach to tax regulations.

Can you discuss the significance of winning the Best Appellee Brief in your Appellate Advocacy course and how it has influenced your legal writing skills?
Winning Best Appellee Brief in my Appellate Advocacy course was a significant milestone for me. As an English major, transitioning from literary writing to legal writing was challenging during my first year of law school. This award validated my progress and growth in adapting my writing skills to the legal context. It gave me confidence in my ability to craft persuasive legal arguments and demonstrated my successful navigation of the shift from creative writing to structured and analytical legal writing.

How has your background in English from the University at Buffalo contributed to your success in law school and legal practice?
My English background from the University at Buffalo has been incredibly helpful in law school. Although moving from literary to legal writing was a challenge, the strong reading comprehension skills I developed as an English major have been an invaluable asset. Being able to understand and analyze complex writing has made it easier to handle the heavy reading and detailed arguments in law school and legal practice. Additionally, my background in English helped me develop a strong vocabulary, which has been beneficial for oral advocacy. A good vocabulary is crucial for articulating arguments clearly and persuasively, and my extensive reading as an English major played a key role in building that skill.

What motivated you to become involved in various student organizations like the Mock Trial Board, Women’s Law Forum, and the Tax Law Society at Seton Hall?
I became involved in student organizations like the Mock Trial Board, Women’s Law Forum, and the Tax Law Society because I wanted to make the most of my law school experience and connect with others who share similar interests. During college, I worked two jobs and didn’t have much free time for extracurricular activities, but I was determined to get involved in law school. Being part of these organizations has allowed me to meet new people, explore different areas of law, and build a supportive network within the legal community.

How do you balance your involvement in extracurricular activities and mentorship roles with your academic and professional responsibilities?
I balance extracurricular activities and mentoring with my academic and professional responsibilities by keeping a well-organized schedule and setting clear priorities. Being involved in student organizations and mentoring enriches my law school experience and helps me grow personally and professionally. To manage everything, I make sure to stay on top of coursework and deadlines first. By planning and being intentional about how I spend my time, I can fully engage in these activities while keeping on top of my work.

What are some key lessons you have learned from attending court proceedings, depositions, and client meetings during your time at Rupp Pfalzgraf, LLC?
Attending court proceedings, depositions, and client meetings in private practice taught me several key lessons. First, I learned the importance of thorough preparation and organization. Second, I gained insights into the practical aspects of legal strategy and the nuances of client communication. Observing how experienced attorneys interact with clients and present arguments helped me understand the importance of clear, persuasive communication. Lastly, these experiences underscored the significance of adaptability and quick thinking in dynamic legal environments, where circumstances can change rapidly and require an immediate response.

Outside of your legal studies and work experiences, how do your interests in vintage clothing, yoga, and watercolor painting help you maintain a well-rounded life?
Going thrifting a couple of times a month is my way to unwind. I love listening to music and looking through the racks, which takes my mind off school and helps me relax. I also enjoy watercolor painting because it gives me a creative outlet and a refreshing break from the structured nature of law school. I try to make time for yoga as well, which is great for releasing tension after long periods of sitting in class or studying. These activities are crucial for maintaining balance and preventing burnout by giving me a chance to step away from school and focus on something enjoyable and fulfilling.